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		<title>By: Sara Wutzke</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-26999</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was researching prisons going green for a post I&#039;m writing for a MomCentral blog I write for and found your posts. I&#039;ve linked back to you on a couple of points I made. This is a very good article, and something I&#039;m really interested in. It&#039;s SUCH a complex issue and for now, I&#039;ll be glad that they&#039;re taking steps to teach the incarcerated how to garden and be more eco-friendly, which will hopefully translate into skills that can be utilized once they&#039;re paroled. 

I completely agree that education for inmates is essential!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was researching prisons going green for a post I&#8217;m writing for a MomCentral blog I write for and found your posts. I&#8217;ve linked back to you on a couple of points I made. This is a very good article, and something I&#8217;m really interested in. It&#8217;s SUCH a complex issue and for now, I&#8217;ll be glad that they&#8217;re taking steps to teach the incarcerated how to garden and be more eco-friendly, which will hopefully translate into skills that can be utilized once they&#8217;re paroled. </p>
<p>I completely agree that education for inmates is essential!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1081</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This nation has been waging a war on itself for over a hundred years, starting back when the Chinese where banned from importing opium in the late 19th century. An estimated 6.2 billion dollars in revenue could be made from the legalization and taxation of Marijuana alone. This country spends huge anounts of money to punish the sick.  It&#039;s sad to say, but the term correctional facilitie is an oxymoron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This nation has been waging a war on itself for over a hundred years, starting back when the Chinese where banned from importing opium in the late 19th century. An estimated 6.2 billion dollars in revenue could be made from the legalization and taxation of Marijuana alone. This country spends huge anounts of money to punish the sick.  It&#8217;s sad to say, but the term correctional facilitie is an oxymoron.</p>
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		<title>By: The Tide</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1080</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good luck to you, Richard. What your son needs, I think, as an outsider, other than a humane justice system, is a kind of &#039;de-prisonification&#039; to help him get his head on straight; a sort of detox to wash all of the indoctrination out of his system. People should have the right to work in this country. We live in a deterministic world, and we have to burn and destroy the our almost religious allegiance to &#039;personal responsibility&#039;. We are *all* to blame for your son&#039;s misfortune. They say that he got released from prison, but he really didn&#039;t, if you know what I mean...

Good luck with your website and always remember: the tide is rising...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck to you, Richard. What your son needs, I think, as an outsider, other than a humane justice system, is a kind of &#8216;de-prisonification&#8217; to help him get his head on straight; a sort of detox to wash all of the indoctrination out of his system. People should have the right to work in this country. We live in a deterministic world, and we have to burn and destroy the our almost religious allegiance to &#8216;personal responsibility&#8217;. We are *all* to blame for your son&#8217;s misfortune. They say that he got released from prison, but he really didn&#8217;t, if you know what I mean&#8230;</p>
<p>Good luck with your website and always remember: the tide is rising&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Ward</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1079</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have read these posts and I am smiling about them now.  Some of you are well intended and others don&#039;t have a clue about today&#039;s prisons.  The biggest problem with regard to why the prisoners go back, is the same reasons that got them in there in the first place.

Drugs &#038; Intelligence, or lack of it.  The world that they are released into today is not a very friendly place for those that are considered &quot;blue collar&quot; type.  This past spring I spent six weeks in MS trying to help my youngest son find a job.  He had just been released from the MS DOC after serving four years.  He had a previous four years in an IN. prison.

When you speak about training while in prison, he spent more time behind bars than a lawyer spends in college.  The website for the MSDOC looked good as to classes he could take while inside.  So how many did he take?  None.  He was not allowed because he had a gun charge 20 years ago when he was 18.  When I asked him did he learn anything inside?  He thought about it a while and turned his head like the RCA dog, and answered, &quot;I learned close to 300 ways to cook Meth&quot;.  So now he is trained.  You will learn while inside, I like to call prison as the &quot;College of Crime&quot;.

During the six weeks I was there we had at our disposal, cell phones, my laptop, fax &#038; mail in for applications.  We went to job fairs, the MS state Employment Office, Headhunters that I paid $180.00, &#038; Free Temp services.  He applied to 134 different places before getting a job that paid $7.50 hr.  When I said applied for I mean that we called, went to, faxed a resume to, and went in person.  Every one of these he did a follow up within the following seven days.

I left there on 3/30/08 and he quit the job and left there the next day.  He is now &quot;In the wind&quot; as they say he violated his parole and he will have to keep looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.  When they catch him, he will have to go back and do the rest of his sentence which is18 more years.

In today&#039;s world, and in MS, you need to get a drug test, criminal background search, and I think a full body cavity search in order to get to the $7.50 rate.  I met some of his friends and they all worked for the same temp service at $5.50 per hour.  This is the same temp service that my son worked for when he first got out.  He operated a Bulldozer, a Backhoe, welded and ran a boring machine to tunnel under Interstate 55.  He made $5.50 while the temp service charged $17.00 to the contractor for him.  The temp service charged my son $5.00 a day for transportation to work.

I don&#039;t think that we should throw open the doors and let all prisoners out of prison.  There was a reason they got put in there in the first place.  If nothing else, they didn&#039;t play well with others out here.  Should they be punished for their behavior?  I think so, but just don&#039;t punish them for life for their sins.  Don&#039;t punish their families along with them.  If your family member calls you from prison it has to be collect, and the charges were in my son&#039;s case $21.00 for a 15 minute collect call.  Why so much?  The prison gets a kick back from the contractor who does the phone service.

Senator James Webb VA will be starting a bill in the next Senate session to improve prisons.  I wish him well, or should I say, I wish him luck.  It is hard to make any changes when we are governed by 50 states doing things 50 different ways.

I will be contacting Sen. Webb soon to see if I can help him, or if he can help me as I start a new website to address the conditions in prison.  I do not know at this time if I will make it just a blog or a full website.  I purchased the domain name yesterday (InsidePrisonWalls) and it was my New Year resolution to get it started.

I have researched and set up a database with the necessary information to contact all 50 of the state DOCs in the US.  I will ask them what their goals are in regard to how they handle their prison populations and how do they think they are doing in reaching these goals?  I will start that in the next couple of weeks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read these posts and I am smiling about them now.  Some of you are well intended and others don&#8217;t have a clue about today&#8217;s prisons.  The biggest problem with regard to why the prisoners go back, is the same reasons that got them in there in the first place.</p>
<p>Drugs &amp; Intelligence, or lack of it.  The world that they are released into today is not a very friendly place for those that are considered &#8220;blue collar&#8221; type.  This past spring I spent six weeks in MS trying to help my youngest son find a job.  He had just been released from the MS DOC after serving four years.  He had a previous four years in an IN. prison.</p>
<p>When you speak about training while in prison, he spent more time behind bars than a lawyer spends in college.  The website for the MSDOC looked good as to classes he could take while inside.  So how many did he take?  None.  He was not allowed because he had a gun charge 20 years ago when he was 18.  When I asked him did he learn anything inside?  He thought about it a while and turned his head like the RCA dog, and answered, &#8220;I learned close to 300 ways to cook Meth&#8221;.  So now he is trained.  You will learn while inside, I like to call prison as the &#8220;College of Crime&#8221;.</p>
<p>During the six weeks I was there we had at our disposal, cell phones, my laptop, fax &amp; mail in for applications.  We went to job fairs, the MS state Employment Office, Headhunters that I paid $180.00, &amp; Free Temp services.  He applied to 134 different places before getting a job that paid $7.50 hr.  When I said applied for I mean that we called, went to, faxed a resume to, and went in person.  Every one of these he did a follow up within the following seven days.</p>
<p>I left there on 3/30/08 and he quit the job and left there the next day.  He is now &#8220;In the wind&#8221; as they say he violated his parole and he will have to keep looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.  When they catch him, he will have to go back and do the rest of his sentence which is18 more years.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s world, and in MS, you need to get a drug test, criminal background search, and I think a full body cavity search in order to get to the $7.50 rate.  I met some of his friends and they all worked for the same temp service at $5.50 per hour.  This is the same temp service that my son worked for when he first got out.  He operated a Bulldozer, a Backhoe, welded and ran a boring machine to tunnel under Interstate 55.  He made $5.50 while the temp service charged $17.00 to the contractor for him.  The temp service charged my son $5.00 a day for transportation to work.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that we should throw open the doors and let all prisoners out of prison.  There was a reason they got put in there in the first place.  If nothing else, they didn&#8217;t play well with others out here.  Should they be punished for their behavior?  I think so, but just don&#8217;t punish them for life for their sins.  Don&#8217;t punish their families along with them.  If your family member calls you from prison it has to be collect, and the charges were in my son&#8217;s case $21.00 for a 15 minute collect call.  Why so much?  The prison gets a kick back from the contractor who does the phone service.</p>
<p>Senator James Webb VA will be starting a bill in the next Senate session to improve prisons.  I wish him well, or should I say, I wish him luck.  It is hard to make any changes when we are governed by 50 states doing things 50 different ways.</p>
<p>I will be contacting Sen. Webb soon to see if I can help him, or if he can help me as I start a new website to address the conditions in prison.  I do not know at this time if I will make it just a blog or a full website.  I purchased the domain name yesterday (InsidePrisonWalls) and it was my New Year resolution to get it started.</p>
<p>I have researched and set up a database with the necessary information to contact all 50 of the state DOCs in the US.  I will ask them what their goals are in regard to how they handle their prison populations and how do they think they are doing in reaching these goals?  I will start that in the next couple of weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: PennyLane</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1078</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chain gangs? Geesh Gabe what are you 100? Way to prove once again &quot;think before you talk&quot;.  Prisoners do earn their wage in fact some prisoners only make $0.25 an hour working 8 hour days 6 days a week.  I assume you can do the math.  Figure that into having to buy food, clothes, stamps, envelopes, shoes, and still pay their restitution.  Some of the jobs are mechanical or being a welder or some kind of shop so again you are wrong.  Keep in mind some of the people in there are just trying to get back on the right track because they know it&#039;ll be that much harder for them to get a job with someone like you around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chain gangs? Geesh Gabe what are you 100? Way to prove once again &#8220;think before you talk&#8221;.  Prisoners do earn their wage in fact some prisoners only make $0.25 an hour working 8 hour days 6 days a week.  I assume you can do the math.  Figure that into having to buy food, clothes, stamps, envelopes, shoes, and still pay their restitution.  Some of the jobs are mechanical or being a welder or some kind of shop so again you are wrong.  Keep in mind some of the people in there are just trying to get back on the right track because they know it&#8217;ll be that much harder for them to get a job with someone like you around.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1063</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Legalize all drugs, but call it decriminalization, a more acceptable term to those people who have been brainwashed by Republicans (reelection) and others who gain some benefit from having higher prison populations. I am an addictions counselor/mental health professional and I know that about 50% of drug addicts have mental illnesses (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, PTSD, etc., etc.). Treatment would better serve these people and society as well, than incarceration, which only exacerbates mental illnesses. Another fact that most people don&#039;t know, but that should be in the fund of general knowledge: Most addicts suffer from PTSD caused by horrific physical, emotional, or sexual child abuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legalize all drugs, but call it decriminalization, a more acceptable term to those people who have been brainwashed by Republicans (reelection) and others who gain some benefit from having higher prison populations. I am an addictions counselor/mental health professional and I know that about 50% of drug addicts have mental illnesses (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, PTSD, etc., etc.). Treatment would better serve these people and society as well, than incarceration, which only exacerbates mental illnesses. Another fact that most people don&#8217;t know, but that should be in the fund of general knowledge: Most addicts suffer from PTSD caused by horrific physical, emotional, or sexual child abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Avg Joe</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1077</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 02:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need a justice system and not a vengence system.  We throw people&#039;s lives away for 5, 10, 20+ years for crimes of morality.  Using drugs is a moral, social and economic issue.  Locking up the supposed victums of drug use is the rediculous.  It burdens the tax system, it marks the user for life with a record that will keep them in fast food quality jobs, and it institutionalizes the behavior of these people.  We need to put drug use under other moral behavior.  If you do it, you suffer the natural consequences of use.

When one considers the problems of  marijuana use for instance, it is clear that the most dangerous aspect of it&#039;s use is getting caught by law enforcement.  If you died from marijuana, you would be the first human to die from THC in it&#039;s 5000+ years of recorded use.  There is no lethal dose of this substance.  Yet there are many that died from law enforcement of prohibition of marijuana.  Bullets are far more dangerous than pot.

We hang on to this destructive policy for many reasons; entrenched beurocracy, religious self-richeousness, and established industry that does not wish to compete with such a versatile product.  It can be made into more paper per acre than trees and it grows in 3 months.  The paper lasts longer and taxes no toxic chemicals, unlike tree paper.  It can be made into boards, extremely durable clothes (the original canvas genes were made with cannibis plants), biodiesel, various household soaps and other chemicals.  It can do much of what petroleum can do, but we can&#039;t grow the crop because it is illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a justice system and not a vengence system.  We throw people&#8217;s lives away for 5, 10, 20+ years for crimes of morality.  Using drugs is a moral, social and economic issue.  Locking up the supposed victums of drug use is the rediculous.  It burdens the tax system, it marks the user for life with a record that will keep them in fast food quality jobs, and it institutionalizes the behavior of these people.  We need to put drug use under other moral behavior.  If you do it, you suffer the natural consequences of use.</p>
<p>When one considers the problems of  marijuana use for instance, it is clear that the most dangerous aspect of it&#8217;s use is getting caught by law enforcement.  If you died from marijuana, you would be the first human to die from THC in it&#8217;s 5000+ years of recorded use.  There is no lethal dose of this substance.  Yet there are many that died from law enforcement of prohibition of marijuana.  Bullets are far more dangerous than pot.</p>
<p>We hang on to this destructive policy for many reasons; entrenched beurocracy, religious self-richeousness, and established industry that does not wish to compete with such a versatile product.  It can be made into more paper per acre than trees and it grows in 3 months.  The paper lasts longer and taxes no toxic chemicals, unlike tree paper.  It can be made into boards, extremely durable clothes (the original canvas genes were made with cannibis plants), biodiesel, various household soaps and other chemicals.  It can do much of what petroleum can do, but we can&#8217;t grow the crop because it is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Franklin</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1076</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guess Gabe never heard of Sherrif Joe and his Tent City.  Some people just yap without backup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess Gabe never heard of Sherrif Joe and his Tent City.  Some people just yap without backup.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1075</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now, in Canada, crimes are committed to get into prison for the winter months by many. During the (GRD) great republican depression, many will find street life and Anarchy out there too hard to bear, and will commit smaller crimes in order to gain the warmth, security, shelter and regular food of prison life. Until the prison system is made less bearable, large hoards of would be street people will invade prisons and perhaps even reform them from within! the GRD has a few surprises for the general, middle class American citizen, hunger and lack of security among them! See ya in the slammer folks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, in Canada, crimes are committed to get into prison for the winter months by many. During the (GRD) great republican depression, many will find street life and Anarchy out there too hard to bear, and will commit smaller crimes in order to gain the warmth, security, shelter and regular food of prison life. Until the prison system is made less bearable, large hoards of would be street people will invade prisons and perhaps even reform them from within! the GRD has a few surprises for the general, middle class American citizen, hunger and lack of security among them! See ya in the slammer folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Real</title>
		<link>https://ecosalon.com/whats-our-priority-education-or-prison/#comment-1074</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Legalize! Legalize! Legalize!  Being reminded that our country is wasting so many resources makes me both sad and angry.  Pot smokers are sitting in jail for smoking pot?!  It&#039;s just weird.  I don&#039;t smoke pot but I don&#039;t care a kadoodle if you do.  I don&#039;t care if you do meth or crack, although I prefer that you not have kids if you do meth or crack.  But the fact is that there are all kinds of situations -- growing up with an addict of alcohol is no fun either.

The point is: if we are a free country we need to allow people the freedom to make their own mistakes.  We can help them be educated about their choices and recover from their choices by doing exactly what crOft suggests and that is legalizing all of it and then taxing the heck out of it while still underselling the illegal distributors.  When we put the drug cartels out of business by using simple capitalistic principles (the same way China took away the US ability to manufacture little things) we will be striking a blow for freedom and putting our country on the road to recovery itself.

SPREAD MORE OF THIS INFO.  Ask the question: Why are drugs illegal?  Why.  Let people make mistakes. Drugs don&#039;t kill people.  People kill themselves with drugs sometimes.  Oh well.  They also slip and fall when they run around the edge or a swimming pool.  We don&#039;t outlaw pools because some people drown -- we just hope people will be good swimmers.

Keep on with this!

I&#039;m ready for action.  I&#039;m ready for candlelight vigils or even torches in the streets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legalize! Legalize! Legalize!  Being reminded that our country is wasting so many resources makes me both sad and angry.  Pot smokers are sitting in jail for smoking pot?!  It&#8217;s just weird.  I don&#8217;t smoke pot but I don&#8217;t care a kadoodle if you do.  I don&#8217;t care if you do meth or crack, although I prefer that you not have kids if you do meth or crack.  But the fact is that there are all kinds of situations &#8212; growing up with an addict of alcohol is no fun either.</p>
<p>The point is: if we are a free country we need to allow people the freedom to make their own mistakes.  We can help them be educated about their choices and recover from their choices by doing exactly what crOft suggests and that is legalizing all of it and then taxing the heck out of it while still underselling the illegal distributors.  When we put the drug cartels out of business by using simple capitalistic principles (the same way China took away the US ability to manufacture little things) we will be striking a blow for freedom and putting our country on the road to recovery itself.</p>
<p>SPREAD MORE OF THIS INFO.  Ask the question: Why are drugs illegal?  Why.  Let people make mistakes. Drugs don&#8217;t kill people.  People kill themselves with drugs sometimes.  Oh well.  They also slip and fall when they run around the edge or a swimming pool.  We don&#8217;t outlaw pools because some people drown &#8212; we just hope people will be good swimmers.</p>
<p>Keep on with this!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ready for action.  I&#8217;m ready for candlelight vigils or even torches in the streets.</p>
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